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Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
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Posted - 2014.12.18 16:55:55 -
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D-Scan immunity is a cool new trait.
I do not think its overpowered in comparison to regular cloaking in PvP.
Just more variance.
But.
People will use these things not to ambush people exclusively.
This is like a "free ratting" card.
You can be anywhere, doing anything WHILE being invisible on D-Scan.
Regular cloaked ships can only sit around and produce a scary entry in local chat...
Means people who want to ambush YOU will have to search the entire system - if you are in a Plex they will have to get into your room until they can see you.
Which means in turn - at least in the environment as it is now - that you would be able to PvE completely unmolested.
Are there concerns that Combat Recons might become OMGWTFBBQOP-PvE-Boats?
Or is that no issue due to the mediocre PvE combat value of this class? |
Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
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Posted - 2014.12.18 20:03:04 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:
I'm torn on the invisible-to-dscan thing. It feels OP, particularly in w-space. It also makes me nervous because you guys don't have a good strategy around "What intelligence tools should there be in EVE?" So you probably shouldn't be screwing around with the intel tools we do have until you know what the strategy is going to be.
Always appreciating your judgement... but this time...
Why is this OP?
Where is this better than a regular cloak? (aside of the invisible Gas Harvester)
1. Please notice that regular cloaks also make you PERMANENTLY INVISIBLE ON D-SCAN. Uh-oh. What if cloaked ships sit in wormholes?
2. If you are ambushing someone I very much doubt that warping in on someone and locking him is faster (and thus more OP) than decloaking right next to him + locking. A bomber is definitely faster and a T3 most likely.
So that leaves which aspect of overpoweredness?
[Note to self: post that concept on intel tools.] |
Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 09:09:25 -
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One more about D-Scan immunity:
How will this work in combination wih FW plexes?
If I understand it correctly, the Recon will be able to run the clock down WHILE BEING "CLOAKY".
That is much more powerful than anything we had in those complexes before (except maybe having the enemies NPCs attack intruders but not you with standings 5.0+ like in old days :-D).
Also it defeats several nerfs to cloaking in those complexes.
Shouldn't these rules be changed to either:
- Recons show on D-Scan if sitting next to a FW timer
- Recons can't run FW timers down ???
Also: will anyone read this after 74 pages of threadnought? |
Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 13:47:58 -
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Belinda HwaFang wrote:
However, since Combat Recons don't need a cloak to hide from DSCAN they can appear on grid from out of nowhere and point the target without worry of any targeting delay because they were never cloaked in the first place, and since they aren't a cloaky ship, they are a full combat strength ship, not a nerfed down combat ship to allow for the cloak.
Wrong. Yes, you can appear on grid out of nowhere. But the time it takes from the "plop" when you reach the grid until you have decelerated to 0m/s and are actually able to lock anything will still be a couple of seconds. Even with Warp speed rigs or the like you will be slower than a bomber.
And although being a bit stronger than a force recon, the new Combat Recons will doubtless still be weaker than current T3s.
Belinda HwaFang wrote:I'm posting this mainly for informational purposes, because it's clear from reading a few posts in this thread that some people don't actually understand these details, and why a combat recon that is immune to DSCAN becomes a lot more powerful than its cloaky counterpart. -- Fang 
The new Combat Recons will be stronger in some situations than their cloaked counterparts (hence the name). But they will neither be more powerful gankers than anything we have now (->Bomber for speed, T3 for power) nor outclass the Force Recon everywhere (->Black Ops, slip through Gate Camps). |
Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:36:02 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:
Hard to say whats best for the Rook and Falcon without checking out ECM changes...
I had a vision just the other day of a revamped ECM that could be scripted to turn off INCOMING target locks.
(i.e. you jam something to turn off remote reps hitting it) |
Edward Olmops
DUST Expeditionary Team
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Posted - 2014.12.23 00:25:35 -
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Lvzbel Ixtab wrote:People that say that D-scan gives perfect intel are wrong, you can always hide the rest of a fleet in a different system or in a wh and many tactics to hide you true numbers
True!
But imagine you want to hide your fleet in a wormhole. You warp there - you jump in and...
then...
OMG, it's full of Recons!!!11 |
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